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No. 471 Season 2022 · Episode 18 · Recorded August 15, 2022

Changing Teams

12 conversations 1:03:43

In this episode

  1. 0:04 1 min

    Live show open and article docket tease

    The hosts open live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, tease tonight's article docket, and riff on a Christianity Today headline about nondenominational church growth. Dan is addressed by name when asked what blocks the current generation from the gospel.

  2. 1:26 1 min

    Nondenominational article teaser and news distrust riff

    A host previews the Christianity Today piece on nondenominational churches adding millions of members, and the room riffs on contradictory science reporting (bacon, chocolate) and untrustworthy news framing.

  3. Game 2:34 4 min

    '12 stumbling blocks to the gospel' guessing game

    The hosts play a guessing game over an article listing twelve stumbling blocks for this generation: the room offers affirming-homosexuality guesses, technology/instant gratification, corporate waste, and institutional constraints. Dan and Nathaniel are called on by name for guesses.

  4. 6:47 2 min

    Stumbling blocks rundown: power, territory, triumphalism

    The list gets read in full — religious images of power (thrones on stages, pastors preaching down at the congregation), territorial emphasis over kingdom focus, programs over people, triumphalism, no community and authenticity. A Zimbabwe tithing-expectation anecdote lands alongside it.

  5. Hard question 8:21 10 min

    Sinner or valued: how to lead the gospel; milk vs meat

    • Should the gospel lead with God's love (milk) or with conviction of sin (meat)?

    A long discussion on whether the world needs to be reminded they are sinners or that they are valuable to God — verdict: both, depending on motive. Covers Paul's milk-and-meat framing, whether it is prescriptive or descriptive, opening with love instead of weaponizing doctrine, and the humility problem in evangelism: grace freely given should be freely given away.

  6. 18:30 10 min

    Nondenominational growth stats and where members come from

    • Where are the millions of new nondenominational members coming from?

    The article deep dive: denominational vs nondenominational definitions, 4,000 more nondenominational churches since 2010, 6.5 million attendance growth, mainline decline, and the 2021 crossover. The hosts push back: many 'nondenominational' plants are really denominational churches that dropped the brand, and splits over progressive crises double the counts. Core verdict: swapping Christians is not kingdom growth — 'feed my sheep,' not borrow them.

  7. 28:22 4 min

    Catholic-curious, complaint line, Church of Christ riff

    A host notes the article turned toward things he does not care about — just do Matthew's tail end. The 'Catholic curious' phenomenon gets discussed, the Bob Eisenlauer complaint line number is plugged, and Nathaniel wonders whether autonomous Church of Christ congregations count as nondenominational.

  8. Testimony 32:02 7 min

    Mike's Ethiopia trip: orphanages, generosity, and letting locals lead

    Mike, asked by name, recounts his second trip to Ethiopia: the temptation to see only poverty, the faithful Ethiopian believers who do not see their situation as a detriment, the home for girls aging out of orphanages, and the wheelchair-using mother who refused to spend her $20 cab fare — a lesson in funding local work instead of retelling the story. Also: a painful devotional through an interpreter to teenage girls, and praying for his kids' protection rather than exposing them to grief they are not ready for.

  9. 38:49 7 min

    Mission tourism, plane rides, Addis Ababa, straight roads

    • Are short-term mission trips worth it, or are they just mission tourism?

    The room debates 'mission tourism,' rethinks short-term trips, and trades travel stories: a terrible 17-hour plane ride, a late-night walk through Addis Ababa, Dan's growing sense of home in Zimbabwe (they gave him the car keys), the 'make paths straight' metaphor learned from terrible roads, and an Ethiopian driver's license ambition.

  10. Dear LFTP 45:52 9 min

    Dear LFTP: the sisters who text every day

    • How do I get my over-texting friends to stop without being a jerk?

    A listener writes that two friends who are sisters text her constantly and guilt-trip her to visit. The panel sides mostly with the letter writer: set ground rules, don't flip out, you are not a slave to the phone. The Secular answer: firmly tell them you don't have time to text daily.

  11. Bit 54:23 3 min

    Social awareness and the pants conversation

    A tangent on being socially awkward: a host's driving anecdote about a coworker announcing she slept in the pants she bought for a game, and Ben being held up as the guy with no idea what to say — which everyone agrees is understood and fine.

  12. Dear LFTP 57:29 6 min

    Dear LFTP: family mocks the niche degree, plus outro

    • Am I blowing my family's mockery of my niche degree out of proportion?

    A listener with a niche degree writes that his family treats his career as a running gag and wonders if he is blowing it out of proportion. The panel's verdict: he is being oversensitive — beat the jokes to the punch ('moss man Pete'). The Secular answer: his relatives may be jealous or limited; correct with humor. Closes with the benediction: be faithful in the means, God will handle the end.

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