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No. 425 Season 2021 · Episode 6 · Recorded March 15, 2021

Love Does

16 conversations 1:36:22 With Jay Michael Hudson, Nathaniel Carson

In this episode

  1. 0:00 2 min

    Show open: no live broadcasts, COVID restlessness, no editing

    The hosts open from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper and joke that listeners keep asking when they can catch the show live, though they have not broadcast live in years. One host explains there is no editing: the time he has for the enterprise is the record time plus about thirty minutes after, so whatever is laid down on a Monday night goes out Tuesday morning.

  2. 2:04 11 min

    Bob Goff's Love Does: radical generosity stories

    • How can you live a radically generous life without being generous on the backs of your family?

    One host has started reading Bob Goff's book Love Does (prompted by a John Acuff interview) and recounts its stories of extravagant generosity: letting a stranger propose at his cabin, hosting fifty friends for dinner, lending his boat, and having fireworks set off during the proposal. The hosts wrestle with the question underneath the stories: how does someone have that freedom with his time without being generous on the backs of his family, and is the behavior surprising because it holds ordinary commitments loosely while staying open to serving someone else.

  3. 12:59 8 min

    Love costs something; balance comes through prayer

    The hosts agree that love in action ultimately costs something, usually stability or agreements with family, and that saying yes to a crazy plan can mean saying no to helping a daughter with homework. They discuss Bob Goff's large, generous personality, the danger of chasing 'Christian glory' by how far one sacrifices, and the practice of taking such decisions back to God in prayer so He balances where they should give up or keep going. Bible anchors named in the discussion: the man leaving father and mother and cleaving to his wife (Genesis 2:24) and Israel exempting a newly married man from the army for a year (Deuteronomy 24:5).

  4. 21:14 4 min

    Honoring the family calling versus chasing big gestures

    The hosts affirm that raising children and speaking about who God is to one's own family is an extreme honor and a completely legitimate calling, not a lesser one. They note the contrast with the shine and sparkle of big gestures, and describe the common pattern of hilltop spiritual moments followed by struggle with the day-in-day-out work: people who have known Jesus for thirty years still barely open their Bibles on their own because consistency is hard.

  5. 25:15 4 min

    Intentional focus: love is not transactional

    The hosts discuss how five intentional minutes of undivided attention can push past transactional exchanges into something deeper, in parenting and in marriage. One host observes that reconnecting with a teenager or a spouse does not work like flipping a switch: you cannot turn a heart on and off to fit an agenda, and rebuilding requires real, non-trivial work.

  6. Testimony 29:33 4 min

    Pastoral testimony: visiting an anxious non-church family

    One host tells of doing two funerals for a family over the past year and a half; during the COVID crisis the family, who do not attend church, reached out in anxiety and asked him to come to their house. Though tired on a Sunday afternoon with a prison visit already scheduled, he went, spent an hour in conversation, and later noticed people smiling outside, including someone who had been afraid to leave the house. He frames it as simply showing up and caring.

  7. Prayer 33:34 2 min

    Open posture in prayer and action; the Spirit governs balance

    The hosts tie the episode's thread together: the more open one is in posture, prayer, and action, the more space God has to move, and following the Spirit's leading keeps the balance between robbing one's family to serve others and isolating behind family responsibility. One host notes the same Spirit that sends Ben out on a night he had plans is the Spirit that gets his wife to agree to it.

  8. Interview 35:47 4 min

    Interview: Jay Michael Hudson and How to Build a Boat Out of Water

    Jay Hudson, introduced on-air by a host, is an author, musician, and IT worker who recently moved back to Iowa and works with Dan at the Pathway. He describes his book How to Build a Boat Out of Water, a self-published collection of plays and short stories available on Leanpub with strong overtones of redemption and Christian values. The book's title works as a metaphor for a society that expects people to build something out of nothing and mocks them for being poor, which he connects to the Good Samaritan story and the capitalist problem of having no capital. He gives his aired contact as Jmichael@protonmail.com.

  9. Game 39:39 7 min

    Complaint-line impressions game

    The hosts play back listener impressions left on the Bob Eisenlauer Complaint and Impression line, (515) 517-0085, and try to guess the characters: a Madea-style call, a Rocky and Bullwinkle/Droopy debate, and a scripture impression ('a stone that the builder refused will be the chief cornerstone,' Psalm 118:22) which one host calls 'the ocean that lifts all boats.' One host addresses a co-host on-air as 'Booba' during the bit.

  10. Bit 46:17 8 min

    The Jesus thrift store sign

    A host saw a sign at a church-run thrift store that reads as 'pay the prices or go to hell,' and the hosts brainstorm less threatening wording that still manages inventory. The bit extends into comedy: a host suggests taking whatever one needs if one cannot pay, since some will take advantage and that is fine, plus an Arnold Schwarzenegger impression warning not to steal the Homeward Bound DVDs. They note the store exists because people donated out of good hearts to support Bible Missions.

  11. 53:51 4 min

    The no-shorts rule and being faithful in the means

    A host remembers his grandfather, a Southern Baptist pastor, enforcing a strict no-shorts rule even at the hip Wednesday service, and argues the rule excludes exactly the newcomer who does not know the protocol. The hosts connect such signs to the weekly sign-off: human attempts to secure God's ends by human means fail, while faithfulness in the means lets God handle the ends.

  12. 58:04 4 min

    We're all fallible: two dangerous ideas

    A host shares a monk conversation he was processing before the show: two dangerous ideas are fatalism ('I can never be saved, I'm permanently damned') and the arrogance of thinking oneself infallible and permanently beyond wrongdoing. The hosts apply it to worship playlists (one host drops his own song about heresies from the playlist), fallible hymns and pastors, and the admission that everyone's theology is wrong somewhere and will need refining over the next ten years.

  13. Hard question 1:02:09 8 min

    Calvinism, pluralism, tattoos, and matters of conscience

    The hosts discuss Christian societies that tried to legislate behavior (Calvinism, Puritanism) and argue Americans must live alongside people of other religions without pounding them with doctrinal specifics, looking instead for wise sayings in other faiths that do not contradict Jesus. They agree Scripture is clear in some places (one host notes a real spiritual force pushes an 'anything goes' agenda, e.g. around pornography) but intentionally vague in others, such as tattoos, where matters of conscience and wisdom can differ between Christians. The chapter closes with podcast business: asking for honest reviews and admitting the website is rarely updated because the host's allocated thirty minutes does not cover it.

  14. Dear LFTP 1:10:01 15 min

    Dear LFTP: the coworker who needs rides, plus the Secular answer

    • My daughter says I should charge my coworker a weekly amount for rides or quit taking him. What do you think?

    After a joke letter about a cohost who makes goofy noises, a host reads a Dear LFTP letter: a coworker moved to town eighteen months ago and now rides to work with the writer three times a week; the writer's daughter says to charge him a weekly amount or quit taking him. The hosts frame it through Bob Goff: figure out whether the rider is scamming, oblivious, or genuinely needy, and be direct about gas money; Dan's framing is praised as laying it out simply. The Secular answer: you cannot steal what someone gives away, so either set a firmer boundary or stop caring about the hypothetical $20.

  15. Dear LFTP 1:25:03 9 min

    Dear LFTP: the husband with terrible table manners, plus the Secular answer

    • My husband of thirty-four years has terrible table manners that embarrass me when we go out. What can I do?

    A host reads a Dear LFTP letter from a woman married thirty-four years whose husband smacks when he chews, gulps his drinks, stuffs huge amounts of food in his mouth, and wears ill-fitting pajama pants; she loves him but is embarrassed when they are invited out. The hosts riff by naming the couple Chuck and Nancy ('everybody knows Chuck's a slob'), one host relates by confessing his own wife's loud gum chewing, and the advice lands on boundaries: tell him plainly you will not go out with him acting that way, and accept that after thirty-four years he is unlikely to change. The Secular answer: have you talked to him about this, and if so, hand him a mirror or record a video of him eating.

  16. 1:33:52 2 min

    Outro: show finances, complaint line, sign-off

    The hosts note the show was net neutral this year for the first time, the studio is sweltering because a host left the heat on after a meeting, and they plug the complaint line (515) 517-0085 for calls or texts, including impressions of the hosts. They close by leaving next week open-ended and signing off with the weekly line: be faithful in the means, God will handle the ends.

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