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No. 355 Season 2018 · Episode 18 · Recorded October 22, 2018

The Weight of Grace

20 conversations 0:57:32

In this episode

  1. 0:01 3 min

    Opening: vintage Pioneer headphones from the Goodwill outlet

    The hosts open the show from the Pathway Studios. One host tries out a pair of 1970s Pioneer SC-205 headphones bought for about $1.85 by weight at the Goodwill outlet on the South Side after looking them up on eBay, and jokes that the listeners are part of history.

  2. Hard question 2:37 2 min

    Do Christians actually feel the weight of salvation?

    • Is it normal to actually feel the emotional weight of what Christ did for you, and what would that feel like?

    The hosts lay out the night's central conversation: whether a believer actually feels the emotional weight of the gift of salvation. One host shares how a kid told him he worked through something one day and forgot it the next, and asks whether feeling that weight should change how a person acts.

  3. Hard question 4:21 1 min

    Did Paul feel it? The marriage analogy

    The hosts ask whether the apostle Paul's letters show any emotional weight behind the gospel or just fact-by-fact instruction, and compare it to human love: one host says he has occasionally been struck by how much his wife loves him out of nowhere, while others say that rarely happens to them.

  4. Hard question 5:42 2 min

    Francis Chan quote: emotion does not measure genuineness

    One host recounts reading Francis Chan's Letters to the Church, where Chan writes that a god who died for our sins should knock us to our knees every time we hear it; the host admits he believes it and has built his life around it but is not knocked to his knees. The hosts agree the amount of emotion does not reflect whether a belief is true or genuine, comparing it to raised hands in worship.

  5. 7:40 2 min

    Prayer postures and personal reverence rituals

    The hosts discuss the physical ways people pray: leaning forward, taking a hat off, prostrate postures. They describe these as personal standards absorbed from their background rather than biblical mandates, and agree intentionally violating one's own such standard would feel wrong even if no verse requires it.

  6. Hard question 10:03 4 min

    Obedience over emotional weight; the 'emotional tattoo'

    • Is there something wrong with my faith if I don't emotionally feel the weight of the gospel?

    The hosts conclude that the proper reaction to the gospel is obedience, which goes further than feeling an emotional weight. One host describes wanting the emotion to linger as an 'emotional tattoo' that reminds him to stay faithful, and they note Paul's letters repeat truths precisely because people forget them so quickly, like the poverty they have all seen firsthand and then moved on from.

  7. Testimony 14:05 1 min

    Heaven, funerals, and Colin Inglebinger's death anniversary

    One host says he does have an emotional response to the idea of heaven, usually after funerals where he has talked a lot about heaven, and mentions that the day is the anniversary of Colin Inglebinger's death. The hosts agree that feeling fades within days while the underlying faith remains.

  8. Hard question 15:09 3 min

    Chasing the emotion vs pursuing the thing; the spin-off idol

    The hosts warn that chasing the emotional experience is not holy, but pursuing the thing itself is. One host says people can end up worshipping a spin-off version of Jesus: one aspect of his character turned into a golden calf, and when it does not come through they abandon the whole faith.

  9. Hard question 17:49 2 min

    The social justice gospel and idolizing justice

    One host raises the 'social justice gospel' conversations he has seen online, arguing the real accusation behind the term is idolatry: righting wrongs and facing injustice is the church's deal, but it becomes an idol when it is treated as God's only platform or worshipped above God himself. The hosts agree you cannot overemphasize justice, only idolize it.

  10. 19:20 2 min

    A new believer's church search; every church's blind spot

    One host met a new believer who is struggling to find a church that will teach her to live like Jesus, and who asked him what the 'kinky stuff' is about his church, meaning each church's weird idolized thing. The hosts agree every church has a blind spot, probably including theirs.

  11. Hard question 21:02 2 min

    The grace we give ourselves; slow-rolling discipleship

    One host argues the New Testament lays out a lifelong refinement but also expects roughly 95% of a new believer's life to change immediately, contrasting that with the church's slow-rolling discipleship plans where six years later someone is 'up to 12%'. Following Jesus, he says, should make life look different right away.

  12. Hard question 22:49 3 min

    Self-deception, addictions, and the $6 coffee

    The hosts discuss James's image of the self-deceived man who forgets his own face: saying you will give everything to orphans and then buying a $6 coffee without thinking, paralleling addiction relapses where people find themselves drinking without deciding to. One host says this gives him more sympathy for people in addiction, and argues God's grace comes down like a rescuer even while refusing to soften the sin.

  13. 25:48 1 min

    Introductory remarks end; no complaint-line entries

    The hosts wrap the opening conversation, note there are zero entries on the complaint line this week, and invite calls and texts at (515) 517-0085. They then pivot to a fresh comment on their earlier YouTube discussion about brass knuckles legality.

  14. Bit 26:50 9 min

    Brass knuckles legality and the 'bearded basement super friends' comment

    • Is it illegal to own or carry brass knuckles in Iowa?

    The hosts re-read a YouTube comment on their brass knuckles discussion, rattle through Iowa's 'is it illegal to...' Google suggestions (rainwater, bats, driving barefoot, dumpster diving), read Iowa code chapter 724 section 4 on carrying dangerous weapons, and read the commenter's angry response claiming three years automatic prison in New Jersey and that 'one of the bearded basement super friends' could be shot in self-defense. They adopt the insult as a badge of honor and want t-shirts.

  15. 35:45 9 min

    Museum of the Bible's forged Dead Sea Scroll fragments

    • What exactly are the Dead Sea Scrolls?

    The hosts discuss the news that the Museum of the Bible in Washington DC says five of its Dead Sea Scroll fragments are fake and will no longer be displayed. They explain what the Dead Sea Scrolls are, how they validate the Masoretic text, how forgers write on ancient scraps, and the Green family's $500 million museum, then note the forgeries do not change the textual evidence and check that admission is donation-suggested.

  16. 44:11 2 min

    Banksy's self-shredding painting

    The hosts tell the story of the Banksy painting that shredded itself through a hidden frame mechanism at Sotheby's right after selling for over a million dollars, and joke that the shredded scraps are now worth even more.

  17. 46:40 1 min

    Transition: Christian witches deferred; Dear LFTP begins

    One host says he was going to talk about Christian witches but it can wait, and another reads the first Dear LFTP letter.

  18. Dear LFTP 46:52 5 min

    Dear LFTP: wife took a job six hours away

    • Should I pack up my daughter and move six hours away with my wife after she secretly accepted a job?

    A listener married thirteen years writes that his wife secretly applied for and accepted a job six hours from family, and now says he and their 11-year-old daughter should pack up and go. The hosts suspect the letter leaves out large portions of the story (possible financial collapse, the wife being the sole breadwinner), advise that a move should have been a joint decision, and read the Secular answer: discuss with an attorney before it goes further.

  19. Dear LFTP 52:05 5 min

    Dear LFTP: the crabby neighbor's pumpkins

    • Do pumpkins growing on my property from my neighbor's vines belong to me?

    A listener complains about 'crabby Kathy' next door, whose pumpkin vines crept through the fence onto the listener's property, and asks whether the two pumpkins now growing there belong to the listener. The hosts say the pumpkins are not theirs, advise an adult conversation with the neighbor or just buying a cheap pumpkin, and read the Secular answer: return what was taken, apologize, and do not escalate.

  20. 57:22 1 min

    Sign-off and complaint-line invitation

    The hosts close the show, invite disagreement and wiser ways of living, and ask listeners to call or text the complaint line at (515) 517-0085.

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