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No. 354 Season 2018 · Episode 17 · Recorded October 15, 2018

Sabbath or Nah

14 conversations 0:57:32

In this episode

  1. 0:01 2 min

    Show open and intro-song riff

    The produced intro and live show open from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, followed by the hosts riffing on the intro song's lyrics - knowing none of the words except 'working man,' 'special agent of the lamb,' and 'I'm gonna wear your robe,' which one host notes only works 'in the Jesus culture.'

  2. 1:32 2 min

    Complaint line check and 1,000 YouTube subscribers

    The host checks the complaint line and finds no complaints, then the show celebrates its 1,000th YouTube subscriber - roasting the congratulatory email's clip-art banana sticker and WordArt, and promising a party (cheese and crackers included) once they cross a million views.

  3. 3:28 1 min

    Complaint-line promo and tonight's agenda

    The host promotes the complaint line at (515) 517-0085, a running bit follows about one co-host's phone number and how another co-host is saved in his contacts, and the night's agenda is set: stacked-up listener advice letters (with a co-host absent, so the main host handles the 'secular questions') plus the big question of what the hosts have changed their minds on.

  4. Hard question 4:32 1 min

    The question: what have you changed your mind on?

    • In your walk with Jesus, is there anything you have changed your mind on over time?

    The host poses the night's framing question: looking back over your walk with Jesus - from when you first said yes - is there anything you have changed your mind on? He deliberately leaves it broad, framing it as a matter of maturity over time.

  5. Hard question 5:22 22 min

    Sabbath: gift or legalism?

    • Should Christians still set aside a Sabbath day of rest, or is rest found in Christ alone?

    The hosts work through a Christianity Today article, 'Giving Sabbath a Rest,' by a writer raised in a strict Sabbatarian (Seventh-day Adventist) tradition. They read his account of Sabbath-as-salvation-anxiety, push back on the article's drift toward rest as only 'in Christ' with no day at all, and land on a both/and: the Sabbath is a gift revealing God's character - 'made for man, not man for the Sabbath' - and discarding the day entirely throws the baby out with the bathwater. Along the way they touch John 14:15, the Pharisees' 1,521 Sabbath rules, Colossians 2, Matthew 11, Hebrews 3-4, Craig Blomberg, and Abraham Joshua Heschel's 'palace in time.'

  6. Hard question 27:04 5 min

    Changed mind, part 1: the idealized family

    • In your walk with Jesus, is there anything you have changed your mind on over time?

    Answering the night's question, one host describes changing his view of family: raised with an idealized picture of husband, wife, and kids that never breaks, he now sees Scripture full of messy, blended, fallen families and holds more grace for imperfect ones - while keeping a covenant commitment to his own wife, determined to forgive and stay even through betrayal.

  7. Hard question 31:42 4 min

    Changed mind, part 2: evangelism

    Another host's answer: his view of evangelism matured from childhood classes built on gimmicks - like leaving fake million-dollar bills printed with Scripture as restaurant tips - to relational, lifestyle witness, where people notice Christ in how you live through trials and community. He holds both the one-off encounter (Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch) and long-term commitment as biblical.

  8. Hard question 35:34 4 min

    Changed mind, part 3: grace and good works

    The third answer traces a path from childhood 'be good, go to heaven,' through the overcorrection of 'I can't earn salvation, so what I do doesn't matter,' to a mature both/and: right relationship with God comes only through what Jesus has done, and in response it matters what you do - conforming to God's character and Jesus' example is faithfulness, not legalism. A brief technical pause interrupts the segment.

  9. 39:24 1 min

    Listener call-in invite and letter hunt

    The host invites listeners to call or text the complaint line with their own 'changed your mind' stories and Sabbath commentary, then fumbles through his notes to locate the Dear LFTP letters.

  10. Dear LFTP 40:47 3 min

    Dear LFTP: the mother-in-law's no-spouses cruise

    • My husband just returned from a year-long fourth deployment to the Middle East, and his mother invited him and his sisters - but not the spouses - on a week-long cruise. I feel slighted and disrespected, but I don't want to stress my husband during his difficult reintegration or cause drama with his mother. Do I just keep my hurting mouth shut?

    First letter: a military wife of 25 years whose husband just returned from his fourth year-long Middle East deployment. His mother invited him and his two sisters - no spouses allowed - on a week-long cruise, leaving the wife feeling slighted and disrespected. The hosts agree the mother-in-law was rude but advise against putting the husband in the middle during his difficult reintegration; the Secular answer agrees she should keep her mouth shut for now and plan a private getaway later.

  11. Dear LFTP 43:42 4 min

    Dear LFTP: the showboating mother-in-law and the ring

    • I am newly married and hide my large engagement ring because my mother-in-law shows it off to my coworkers, which embarrasses me at work. I don't want to hurt her feelings and I don't want to stop wearing the ring. What do I do?

    Second letter: a newlywed hiding her large engagement ring because her proud mother-in-law shows it off to her coworkers, which embarrasses the modest bride at work. The hosts land on an honest, uncomfortable conversation - 'it just makes me uncomfortable, do you mind not pointing it out?' - plus the comic fantasy of telling her off; the Secular answer says she should have spoken up privately the first time it happened.

  12. Dear LFTP 47:47 3 min

    Dear LFTP: is there such a thing as love at first sight?

    • Is there such a thing as love at first sight?

    Third letter: 'Is there such a thing as love at first sight?' The hosts say infatuation, attraction, and lust can strike instantly, but love carries the connotation of time - real covenant love is 'in spite of first sight,' like holding a sick spouse's hand thirty years in. The Secular answer agrees that strong mutual attraction is real but love requires actually getting to know someone.

  13. Dear LFTP 50:41 6 min

    Dear LFTP: a politically divided marriage and the one-year respite

    • My husband and I are divided over politics and I considered divorce; we agreed to wait a year with separate therapy before deciding. Have I made a mistake, and does the proposed one-year respite have any chance of working?

    Fourth letter: a wife whose marriage fractured along political lines - her husband says she looks like Hillary; both are now in separate therapy; she proposed waiting a year before deciding on divorce. The hosts say the year can work only if it is worked: add couples therapy, step back from politics, and don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The Secular answer calls the one-year plan wise and brilliant. A running gag about the Secular answers' unnecessary semicolons closes the segment.

  14. 56:13 1 min

    Sign-off

    A scheduling note about next week's absences is immediately walked back as postponed, and the show closes with its benediction: 'be faithful in means; God will handle the ends.'

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