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No. 592 Season 2026 · Episode 16 · Recorded June 8, 2026

Because I Got High

12 conversations 1:22:40

In this episode

  1. 0:00 2 min

    Show open and docket

    • How do you be a good friend to your pastor?
    • Is the Protestant tradition creating a knowledge liability that pushes people toward liturgical churches?

    A host opens the show live from the Pathway studios and sets the docket: two questions for the evening — how to be a good friend to your pastor, and why surveys show more people moving toward liturgical or high-church traditions. The other hosts add framing for both topics.

  2. 1:44 4 min

    The move toward liturgical churches

    • Is the Protestant tradition creating a knowledge liability that pushes people toward liturgical churches?
    • Can you love and serve Jesus in a high-church worship structure?

    A host lays out the question: surveys suggest more people are drifting toward Catholic, Lutheran, or Episcopalian churches. He recounts an evangelical's claim that Protestant services make your highest burden feel like becoming an academic — fifty-minute lectures and a constant push to study — and asks whether that knowledge-centered shape creates a false liability about what growing in faith requires.

  3. 5:16 6 min

    Participation versus individual faith work

    • Was Pentecost everybody in the room at once, or just a few leaders the rest followed?

    The hosts weigh what high-church structure buys you: nobody is on the hook to know the thing, only to participate in it. They discuss early formation (catechism baked in young), the absence of rock-star priests, the church doing the thing corporately versus the Protestant expectation of individual interaction with the Holy Spirit, and the open question of whether Pentecost was everybody in the room at once or a few leaders followed by all.

  4. 11:21 18 min

    Music, predictability, and not feeling like a fool

    The hosts talk about worship experiences that never ask 'did I get much out of the worship today' because the goal is mutual participation. They contrast simple hymns anyone can lose themselves in with modern songs nobody knows how to sing, recall a grandfather's perfectly predictable Sunday service, and admit Catholic masses can feel just as bewildering to an outsider — Presbyterians get the nod for accessible high-church liturgy.

  5. Bit 29:05 3 min

    Dan's Zacchaeus sermon and the five-foot Jesus

    A host recounts going a little wacky in a Sunday sermon on Zacchaeus, looking up first-century heights, and putting a picture of Danny DeVito on screen to show the congregation what a five-foot man looks like — prompting the line 'Was Jesus five foot tall? Probably,' which he wishes he had kept to himself.

  6. 31:39 2 min

    Was Pentecost everybody in the room?

    • Was Pentecost everybody in the room at once, or just a few leaders the rest followed?

    Returning to the earlier question, the hosts debate whether the Holy Spirit fell on all 120 in the room or on the twelve with the rest following the leaders — and what that means for the Protestant habit of treating God as sending every believer individual telegrams each morning, when the New Testament keeps telling people what to do instead.

  7. 34:00 14 min

    How to be a good friend to your pastor, rules one and two

    A host reads an article on four pitfalls to avoid as a pastor's friend. Rule one: don't expect your pastor to be perfect — gifted communicators attract a reverence that projects spiritual perfection they never claimed; the New Testament standard is high, not impossible. Rule two: give him permission to not be on — ministry has no off switch, and the hosts trade stories of being pulled into pastoral moments in grocery stores and at the gym.

  8. 48:28 9 min

    Rules three and four: agendas and public challenge

    Rule three: don't use the friendship to advance an agenda — a friend's disagreement is normal and healthy, but back-channel lobbying over dinner turns friendship into something else. Rule four: support publicly, challenge privately — disagreement belongs in a one-on-one, not a congregational meeting or group text. The hosts discuss the reel where one host told a would-be church-leaver to stay and talk to his pastor, and the pushback it drew.

  9. 57:10 7 min

    Criticism, coffee pastors, and the protestant identity

    Reacting to the article, a host says his real sore spot is hearing criticism of his teaching secondhand instead of face to face. Another host says people treat him differently once they learn he's a pastor, and both roast pastors who turn a friendly coffee into a pastoring session. The segment closes on the thought that the whole Protestant denomination is named for what it was against — Catholics and the people who protest the Catholics.

  10. Dear LFTP 1:04:15 10 min

    Dear LFTP: the angry husband

    • Am I wrong for putting my kids and grandkids first? What can I do?

    A host reads a Dear LFTP letter from a woman married twelve years to a formerly alcoholic, now angry and hostile husband; she asks whether she's wrong to put her kids and grandkids first and consider divorce. The hosts say the letter reads like grievances seeking affirmation rather than a defined problem to work through, advise joint counseling to refine the actual issue, and pan the Secular answer for telling her to call a family law attorney off one side of the story.

  11. Dear LFTP 1:13:49 8 min

    Dear LFTP: the friend group's new wife

    • How do we tell the husband that they are not invited, and who should deliver the message?

    A host reads a second Dear LFTP letter: ten college-friend couples are planning a once-in-a-lifetime cruise, and nobody wants the remarried friend's demanding new wife on the ship. The hosts push back — no examples of bad behavior are given, the new wife never had a fair shake in a twenty-year nostalgia group, and excluding them risks the friendship; they also pan the Secular answer's advice to deliver a solo exclusion.

  12. Music 1:21:21 1 min

    Outro and Amos sung close

    The hosts sign off with the usual sign-off and a plug for the complaint line, then a host sings a short original prophetic-flavored song riffing on 'woe to those at ease' — vineyards screaming ash, ivory towers, and hearts of stone.

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