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No. 540 Season 2024 · Episode 24 · Recorded September 9, 2024

Justice is Mine

25 conversations 1:35:20

In this episode

  1. 0:04 2 min

    Show open, shirt banter, and complaint-line joke

    Produced intro voiceover and the live show start from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. Ben and Dan are in "full regalia" shirts and take ribbing for it; the host driving the show notes complaints on the complaint line that the show takes too long to get going, so they move fast into the first topic.

  2. Hard question 1:36 2 min

    The question: why does the Old Testament God feel different?

    • Why does the God of the Old Testament feel so different from the God of the New Testament?

    Mike frames the hard question driving the first half: critiques that the Old Testament and New Testament feel very different, with God directly responsible for killing Israelites — Korah's rebellion (tents swallowed with families) and the meat plague where people gorged and died. Through the modern lens of Jesus' sacrifice it reads as if judgment were instant.

  3. Hard question 3:20 3 min

    Dan: the God of 2 Peter 2 hasn't changed

    Dan rejects the premise that the New Testament God differs from the Old: 2 Peter 2 retells Sodom and Gomorrah and Noah's flood — "he'll do it again." Our sterile modern culture (meat in cellophane, violence kept at a distance) makes us project "love and puppies and rainbows" onto God. Mike pushes back that Jesus' inviting words — leaving the ninety-nine, "let the little children come," "my burden is light" — genuinely pull people that direction.

  4. Hard question 6:21 5 min

    Ben: fear of the Lord is hard when grace feels easy

    Ben admits he doesn't naturally fear God because he feels loved and accepted, yet reads the Old Testament anger and plagues where Moses had to intercede. He resolves it by posture: it's not God's job to make sense to him; his job is to accept God's word and let God instruct him — even when it's rough. He notes the man who touched the ark died because "don't touch it" meant don't touch it; Mike adds that our culture puts heavy weight in feelings.

  5. Hard question 10:50 10 min

    Boova's three questions: is he real, is he good, is he capricious?

    • Is God even real?
    • Is God good?

    Boova frames three reasonable reactions to Old Testament violence: (1) maybe God isn't real; (2) maybe he isn't good; (3) maybe he's capricious. On (1): the Israelites never doubted he was real — his justice was itself the evidence, and the same books show his goodness (manna, Passover, water from the rock), so modern readers lack their context. On (3): God is predictable, not capricious — unlike other deities, his character implies a standard he acts within. Along the way: Ananias and Sapphira in the early church, Saul losing the kingship for an impatient sacrifice, and the Canaanites' pervasive child sacrifice.

  6. Hard question 20:38 6 min

    Context we miss: clearing the neighborhood and stories we never hear

    Boova continues: God wasn't just clearing apartments for Israel — he "moved light into the neighborhood" by judging pervasive Canaanite evil. The ark toppling Dagon's statue showed surrounding nations whose God this was; and we only get some stories — Judges says everyone did right in their own eyes, so false prophets abounded that we never hear condemned. He jokes that every random Chilean earthquake will now make him wonder whether a false prophet was out in the Andes.

  7. Hard question 26:46 1 min

    Dan: Revelation 2 — the New Testament equivalent is the removed lampstand

    Dan points to Jesus' letter to Ephesus in Revelation 2: "I'm gonna remove your lampstand if you don't repent" — the New Testament equivalent of Israel being removed from the land. He wonders how many churches today have no Spirit left, a sign out front and songs sung, but God left long ago and nobody wrote it down.

  8. Hard question 27:45 3 min

    Boova: your heart is supposed to break at judgment

    Boova argues the discomfort is the point: we pray for God to stop real evil (the man beating his wife) and agree with his intervention there — our real problem is discomfort that the stick-collector's offense was "bad enough." We lack appreciation for God's holiness. We're built to desire mercy for people and to hope for more mornings of grace; only God can be trusted with when judgment is appropriate — humans given life-and-death power make dictatorships.

  9. Hard question 30:46 3 min

    It's okay to feel it; it's not okay to leave it there

    Mike: if your picture of God comes mostly from Jesus' stories, the Old Testament will feel off — that's okay, but don't leave it there; dig in and find people who know the scriptures. Boova: take a trip through the minor prophets — nearly every modern accusation against Yahweh was already leveled by his own prophets (Amos). If scripture weren't real, "you wouldn't write down most of this stuff" — prophets failing and accusing God. Job holds the same reminder of God's perspective.

  10. Hard question 33:16 4 min

    Ben: Korah shows why God couldn't let the challenge slide

    Ben returns to Korah: the rebellion's claim was "how do we know Moses and Aaron are the only ones God speaks to?" — if everyone claims to hear from God, direction goes random, and a nation fresh out of 400 years of slavery, unable to feed itself, needed the example set decisively. Mike names the modern arrogance: "not my Jesus... my puppet Jesus" — as if we control the narrative of who Christ is.

  11. Hard question 37:12 2 min

    Ben: hardship isn't always discipline — don't weaponize it

    Ben warns against people who weaponize Hebrews-style discipline language on the grieving — "hey man, your dad died actually so that you would be disciplined in your sin" — when sometimes it's a fallen world and bad decisions, and he found God better through his own parents' deaths. Mocking "count it all joy" at a grieving person is pastoral malpractice. Boova closes the arc: read the Old Testament as it's intended, not as if it happened in Ohio in 1998.

  12. 39:09 4 min

    Resources: complaint line, the Bible Project, commentaries

    Boova invites Old Testament questions on the complaint line and recommends the Bible Project's book overviews for getting context. Mike recommends Douglas Moo on Romans; Boova adds N. T. Wright as the pastoral balance and warns Moo is brutally technical — "Ben one time gave me a Doug Moo book... I have never felt more dumb." Ben finds Jesus speaks to him through the Chronicles of Narnia more than through Mere Christianity or the Screwtape Letters.

  13. 43:16 3 min

    Off-air talk, Dan's articles, and the movie Speed

    The hosts admit they'd have kept the theology conversation going 45 more minutes off-air and joke about chopping shows into parts. They pivot to two articles Dan sent — Dallas-area megachurch demolitions and the parenting piece — with a detour into whether anyone has actually seen Speed and its bomb-on-a-bus premise.

  14. 46:24 2 min

    Mike's Sharpie story: the punishment fit the crime

    Mike tells his biggest parenting mistake: after young Ella repeatedly drew Sharpie on the table despite warnings, he made her eat dinner on the floor since she couldn't treat the table as designed. A decade later the kids still bring it up "as if it is the number one topic at their therapy session" — remembering the floor but not the Sharpie, despite her sister supplying the context.

  15. 48:22 10 min

    Habit 1: don't be overly authoritative

    Reading the article's first habit. Boova calls "because I'm your dad" bad parenting: it subverts teaching kids to think for themselves, lacks humility, and trains them to follow despots. Better: "I'm responsible for your well-being, I'm open to being wrong, but this is the line." Dan's $5 story: his kid blew birthday money on white dress-up gloves — a cheap lesson that stuck because they let her choose. Ben clarifies his earlier authority comment meant authority-with-responsibility, not "what I say goes."

  16. 58:09 3 min

    Habit 2: practice what you preach

    The article's example is weak (Mike: "AI, help me write this"), but the point stands — "Ben has a salute point for this waste of a point." Boova: kids sniff out hypocrisy, and if they call you on it, check whether they're right and repent; there's no following-Jesus justification for puffing up at your children. Dan: too many kids left the faith because all they got at home was a fake example.

  17. 1:01:30 5 min

    Habit 3: don't dismiss their interests

    The hosts mock the article's cartoonish examples ("dinosaurs are somehow less complex than the solar system?"). Boova rescues the point: don't drop a cold dose of reality on a five-year-old's impractical dream — his oldest wants to write fiction, and he'd rather support it and be wrong. Dan: be honest about your own station — a "$20 an hour working for Firestone" dad doesn't know how the world works either. Mike: "Pluto's real."

  18. 1:06:50 4 min

    Habit 4: keep your promises

    "Promises to a child are like law." Boova tells of his divorced dad, always late for pickups: he and Mike waiting on bikes at the apartment complex edge for an hour and a half to race him home. Dan recently did a funeral where adult children in their fifties still carried a decades-old broken promise — "it left a scar." Inconvenience yourself to keep your word until trust is established.

  19. 1:10:39 4 min

    Habit 5: don't avoid difficult conversations

    Start age-appropriate early and it's not hard later. Dan talked "boys stuff" with his young daughters at a fish-tank level; Ben says the word "menses" openly at home so it's normal, not awkward. Mike's joke version: "when an Adam and Eve love each other very much." Boova: these kids didn't choose their father — it's the dad's liability to be the best one possible, so difficult topics can't be deferred.

  20. 1:14:14 5 min

    Habits 6 and 7: let them fail, and show them respect

    Habit 6 (always solving their problems) is skipped as already covered. Habit 7: respect is a two-way street — once kids are old enough to recognize you can't physically force them, threats stop working and you have to stop threatening force. Ben: by the time they realize they can say no, you've already spent ten years instilling that you are trustworthy — or the opposite.

  21. 1:19:32 2 min

    Complaint line, the Eisenlauer ad, and Dan's staircase

    Boova gives the complaint line ((515) 517-0085) for Old Testament questions and parenting rebuttals, plus the Bob Eisenlauer real-estate ad — "Adoration for Bob Eisenhower from the Eisenhower team, for all your local real estate needs here in the Bowen Metro Area." Dan's unrelated story: he left for church and came home to find his split-level's staircase literally separated from the house; his son-in-law showed up in fifteen minutes.

  22. Dear LFTP 1:21:43 1 min

    Dear LFTP: mid-40s man, dance clubs, and feeling too old

    • Is my perspective valid, or do I just need to suck it up? (mid-40s man whose wife wants dance clubs)

    Mike reads the letter: a married mid-40s man with a robust social life whose wife and friend group now want dance clubs full of people half their age. The husbands feel like creepy old losers getting weird looks; sitting out earns days of "cool" (angry) from his wife. He doesn't want her to stop enjoying life and knows she feels safer with him there. "Is my perspective valid, or do I just need to suck it up?"

  23. Dear LFTP 1:22:55 9 min

    Dear LFTP advice: indulge it, play pinochle, romance your wife

    Ben: compromise — go half as often, or post up across the street so she feels safe. Dan calls it a midlife crisis ("we don't belong here"), recalling a Halloween club ten years ago. Boova: indulge it with a timeline and let it die down; play pinochle at the table in the meantime. Ben's flip side: maybe the wives are starved for attention — "romance your lady" instead of being roommates; the Garden Inn room-booking joke ("Why'd you make it sound lecherous?"). Contains mild crude/sexual humor, non-graphic.

  24. Dear LFTP 1:31:32 2 min

    The secular answer: take dance classes

    Mike reads the secular answer: no guy is too old to go dancing — sign up for dance classes with someone patient; those with two left feet should find another activity on club nights; "your wife should not punish you for feeling awkward." The hosts riff: ordering a Cosmo at the bar as the creepy corner guy, "do you have milk with lemon," showing grandkids' pictures. Mike: "I've not matured past this."

  25. 1:33:09 2 min

    Outro: shop plug and sign-off

    Complaint line and the lifefromthepath.org shop — war donkey coffee, t-shirts, an expensive-but-nice sweatshirt. Final shirt banter ("I do look like a guy who books a room at the garden" / "I'll have two mojitos") and the sign-off: "be faithful to means. God will handle the ends."

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