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No. 457 Season 2022 · Episode 4 · Recorded February 28, 2022

House Church Trouble in Olympic China

11 conversations 1:19:34

In this episode

  1. 0:00 1 min

    Show open and the big question

    • Are we measuring the right things, and should we be counting at all?

    Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. A host spills coffee on a twenty-dollar keyboard during the live open and mic check. The hosts preview tonight's big question: are we measuring the right things in the Christian life, and should we be counting at all? Mike, addressed on-air, gives the preview: church metrics like attendance, offerings, campuses and YouTube views, plus personal benchmarks like Jesus conversations per day.

  2. Hard question 1:23 12 min

    Deuteronomy 32 and the Song of Moses

    A pre-show remark about one chasing a thousand and two putting ten thousand to flight opens a long Deuteronomy 32 digression. Dan is addressed on-air as the resident Deuteronomy hand. A host reads the Song of Moses live from the English Standard Version and the Berean Study Bible and walks through its context: Moses' farewell, the rhetorical point that victory belongs to God, not Israel. Along the way the hosts riff on metal-lyrics-or-Bible quizzes, acrostic psalms, symbolic numbers in Scripture, and the Harold Camping end-of-the-world date-setting.

  3. 13:30 12 min

    China house churches and persecution

    A host reads an article on China cracking down on house churches around the Olympics, written by Bob Fu, and the Mayflower Church (Shenzhen Holy Reformed Church) fleeing to South Korea. Dan, addressed on-air, tells of visiting Samuel Lamb's house church in China: a former hard-labor prisoner with crushed bones, a thousand congregants in groups of a hundred, people standing in the bathroom to hear the gospel. A guest tells of praying with eyes open because of his time in China. The hosts reflect on how persecution feels otherworldly to American ears, on well-defined versus foggy enemies, and on how to help underground churches: mostly prayer.

  4. Hard question 25:43 6 min

    Should we measure anything at all? (part 1)

    The hosts read the Life From The Path Bob Eisenlauer complaint line number, then take up the prime question. One host says counting feels necessary: he notices how many kids show up at youth group, and wonders whether someone missed what Jesus had for them. Another counters with the six-person Bible study: six faithful listeners is not a failure just because it is not twenty. The opposite error gets aired too: refusing to evaluate means a house-church leader who teaches poorly and never wonders why nobody stays. The landing principle: know what God has you doing, and stop counting what is not yours to count.

  5. Hard question 31:59 7 min

    Counting, motives, and the heart

    The hosts press on the heart underneath the counting: are you counting for God's vindication or your own? They reuse the false-teacher sniff test from an earlier episode: does the thing elevate man or elevate Yahweh? The same action with a different heart builds a different kingdom. Examples pile up: Methodist church shirts at a build event, counting the ninety-nine versus the hundred sheep, noticing a missing kid because you love him versus noticing because you want to look like a parent. One host asks whether his Ezra teaching is making the word of God boring; he concludes the genealogy itself was boring, and the counting was beneficial.

  6. Hard question 38:40 11 min

    The sheep's perspective: personal benchmarks

    • How can a regular Jesus follower properly measure where they are putting their time?

    A guest asks the layperson's version of the question: if he reads his Bible twenty minutes a day, seven days a week, is that good enough, and is it okay to measure that? The hosts answer that many goals are self-imposed and arbitrary: daily Bible reading is not a biblical prescription, and the early church shared Paul's letters for a week before passing them on. One host notes the data comparison that convicted him: fifteen minutes of Scripture against hours of phone scrolling, staring at the ceiling, and watching the cat. Another says the real measure is outpouring, not intake: at some point you sit down with coffee and talk about it with someone else, from Acts 6. The landing: it is fine to count, as long as the count does not own you; aim for gospel transformation, not behavior modification.

  7. Bit 49:48 5 min

    Summary: community keeps you honest

    The hosts sum up the measuring conversation: counting is fine when behavior matches the heart of Jesus and aims at the kingdom; it is poison when it serves your own kingdom. Christian community is the guardrail: other believers keep you grounded, humble, and out of isolation, which is a risk whether you are a pastor or someone who quietly stopped going to church after COVID. The segment closes in comedy: a host resolves to do push-ups and read his Bible first, asks Nathaniel how many push-ups to do, and gets told until it hurts. A guest blows into the microphone.

  8. Dear LFTP 54:45 7 min

    Dear LFTP: the password-protected iPad

    • Should I be concerned that my husband will not let me see his password-protected iPad, and should I confront him?

    Mike reads a Dear LFTP letter from a woman married thirty-two years whose husband, Derek, will not let her see or use his password-protected iPad. The panel's instant verdict, confirmed by a room poll, is that he is hiding pornography, not an affair, and is embarrassed enough to lock it but not enough to stop. Advice: secrecy is never beneficial; married people should be able to look through anything because they live openly. The Secular answer is read: if the secretiveness is recent, trust the intuition; be prepared for what you will do if the worst fears are realized; open marriages of honesty are the goal.

  9. Dear LFTP 1:01:24 9 min

    Dear LFTP: companionship while his wife is in a nursing home

    • Is it wrong to want companionship while my wife with dementia is in a nursing home, and when should I explain my situation?

    Mike reads a letter from a man married forty years whose wife has dementia and has lived in a nursing facility for six years. He asks whether it is wrong to want companionship and when to tell women he meets that he is married. The hosts answer plainly: the vow is until death, and loneliness is real but not an exception; the false dilemma of lonely-hearted staying home versus stepping out must be rejected in favor of a full life of charity, friendship, and community. The Secular answer is read and mocked: it suggests imagining the situation reversed and telling dates he is married during the first serious conversation.

  10. Dear LFTP 1:10:43 7 min

    Dear LFTP: the takeout Thanksgiving friend

    • Was I out of line telling my friend I am sick of her takeout Chinese and pizza dinners?

    Mike reads a letter from someone whose friend serves only takeout Chinese or delivered pizza, even for Thanksgiving dinner. After being told 'I'm sick and tired of what is being offered,' the friendship ended, and the writer feels no regret. The hosts side entirely with the host: you were out of line, you are high maintenance, and she is lucky to be rid of you; a gracious no, or just quietly not eating much, beats insulting someone's generosity. The Secular answer is read: declining was rude, you could have offered to bring something traditional, and the feelings are mutual.

  11. 1:17:25 2 min

    Outro: complaint line, video teaser, benediction

    The outro plugs the Life From The Path Bob Eisenlauer complaint line for call or text, jokes about how often the hosts side against the letter writer and how often they align with Secular, and notes back episodes are posted. A teaser: video may be coming, possibly live on social platforms again. The show closes with the standard benediction: be faithful in the means, God will handle the ends.

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