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No. 413 Season 2020 · Episode 23 · Recorded October 5, 2020

Ghosts, Humility and Bad Memories

17 conversations 1:06:29

In this episode

  1. 0:01 1 min

    Show open

    A brief produced intro names the show and the Pathway Studios in Johnston, followed by the live show start after the opening music.

  2. 0:30 2 min

    Pre-show recap: demons, angels, and ghosts

    • Are ghosts real, or are hauntings the work of angels and demons?

    The hosts recap their off-air conversation before the show: the presidential debate, then demons, angels, ghosts, and hauntings. They admit up front they have no solid answers and are speculating, framing the episode's long opening discussion of the spiritual world.

  3. 2:15 2 min

    The unlocked cellar door

    • How much weight should a Christian give to spiritual explanations for strange events?

    One host tells a story about moving into his house and finding the basement cellar door unlocked when he was certain he had locked it. The others joke that he probably never locked it, and the conversation turns to how much weight a Christian should give to possible spiritual explanations versus ordinary ones when strange things happen at night.

  4. 4:43 6 min

    Your memory is lying to you: the Toyota story

    • Can we trust our memories of what we experienced?

    A host recounts podcast episodes about the unreliability of memory, starting with the Toyota unintended-acceleration scare: black-box data showed panicked drivers pressing the accelerator while convinced they were on the brake, Car and Driver could not reproduce a failure, and Toyota still lost billions to fines and a recall. The takeaway is that the media narrative stuck because people did not want to believe human error was the cause.

  5. 11:06 5 min

    Flashbulb memories and 9/11

    Continuing the memory theme, a host describes flashbulb memories and a study that interviewed people about 9/11 days after the attacks and again ten years later: a majority of the facts had changed, yet people insisted their decade-old version was correct, even when shown their own handwriting. The segment also touches on a news anchor embellishing his story over time.

  6. 15:36 3 min

    Humility about what you remember

    The host applies the memory research to himself: he went downstairs certain he had locked the cellar door, but now figures he probably did not. The discussion extends to arguments with a spouse -- instead of fencing over exact words, ask what the other person intended to communicate and be gracious -- and to spiritual claims that rest on trusting what you think you saw or heard.

  7. Bit 18:53 2 min

    The Jon Bon Jovi sighting

    One host jokes that he is probably responsible for more ghosts in his own life than he realizes, recalling the time he thought he saw Jon Bon Jovi outside a convenience store in Greenfield. The bit continues into lost keys and the instinct to blame the kids, the cat, or a spouse instead of one's own faulty memory.

  8. 20:34 4 min

    Humility versus pride

    The hosts dig into humility as the fruit of the Spirit and pride as the opposition's weapon. Real humility means being willing to take someone else's word when they say you are wrong, even when it stings. Taken seriously, humility becomes a weapon for change -- the walk-the-extra-mile, turn-the-other-cheek posture that disarms because no one expects it.

  9. 24:59 4 min

    The humility of Christ

    The conversation turns to Christ's humility from birth to the cross -- being beaten and put to death for a crime he did not commit -- illustrated with a youth-group ant-farm analogy. The hosts wrestle with whether God's people are supposed to be walked over like a rug, landing on Jesus' posture: taking control of a situation and then doing the most humble thing within it, as with Pilate.

  10. 28:38 6 min

    Angels, demons, and what they are actually doing

    • If haunting activity is demonic, what is its purpose?

    Returning to the opening topic, the hosts wonder about the purpose of haunting-style activity if it accomplishes nothing. They note that angels in Scripture show up with tasks as messengers, puzzle over why so many demons would concentrate on one demoniac, and conclude that guardian angels are not off the table biblically but the whole subject stays mysterious -- neither denied nor obsessed over.

  11. 34:20 5 min

    How do we experience the Holy Spirit?

    • When and why did English Bibles start saying 'Holy Ghost' instead of 'Holy Spirit'?

    The hosts get honest about the Holy Spirit: one camp treats him as a buddy who occasionally takes the reins, another demands dramatic manifestations, and most of them admit they cannot tell where they stop and the Spirit starts. They laugh about mistaking last night's tacos for the Spirit's voice, then puzzle over the translation history -- when and why Holy Spirit became Holy Ghost in English, and whether ghost muddies the concept.

  12. Hard question 39:36 1 min

    Are all of Jesus' behaviors translatable to us?

    • Are all of Jesus' behaviors translatable to humans?

    A host poses a hard question: are all of Jesus' behaviors translatable to humans -- can we look at what he said or did and ask whether it is for us? The question is left hanging as the show moves on to listener letters.

  13. Dear LFTP 40:10 10 min

    Dear LFTP: the 54-year-old who wants a divorce

    • Should I tell my husband I want a divorce from our unhappy marriage?

    The reader reads a letter from a 54-year-old woman, a third wife of fifteen years, who told her husband years ago she no longer loves him and is beginning to hate him though he is a good man. The hosts push back hard: divorce driven by boredom will not produce happiness with the next person either, marriage vows bind, and her job is to add to her spouse. One host describes a weekend marriage retreat he and his wife took to plan their next five years.

  14. Dear LFTP 50:09 5 min

    Secular answers the divorce letter

    The Secular persona gives the worldly answer to the miserable wife: the grass is not always greener, but line up a job and plan for your future rather than your exit. The hosts riff on the advice -- it may be that she dislikes herself more than her husband, no spouse can carry the whole burden of her happiness, and the real move is to stop being acted upon and choose in.

  15. Dear LFTP 54:52 8 min

    Dear LFTP: drive-by baby showers

    • What do you think about drive-by baby showers?

    The reader reads a letter from someone annoyed at being invited to a drive-by baby shower only to find a full party on the lawn. The hosts counsel grace: during COVID, people are making different risk calls, the hosts were not singled out to be slighted, and nobody should drive home fuming about it. Secular caps the night by noting the lawn-crashers subjected the expectant mother to a foolish risk.

  16. 1:02:54 1 min

    Sign-off and the whiteboard

    The show winds down with a running joke about needing a whiteboard in the studio to track promises, then the sign-off: the call-or-text line (515) 517-0085 and an ask for honest podcast reviews and ratings.

  17. Music 1:06:06 1 min

    Closing hymn

    The episode closes with music: a solo voice sings a hymn about walking in the ways of light and truth while a choir joins in.

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