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No. 181 Season 2014 · Episode 9 · Recorded March 17, 2014

March 17, 2014 Podcast

22 conversations 1:21:15 With John Wagner

In this episode

  1. 0:00 1 min

    Show open from Pathway Studios

    A host opens the live show from the Pathway studios in Johnston proper, joking about the studio's enigmatic dark-cellar vibe before the episode proper begins.

  2. Bit 0:44 1 min

    The John Boova face-mask bit

    A comedy bit imagines finding someone to craft a lifelike John Boova face mask, with a mustache, to be called 'Don Buba'; face-makers are invited to write in with rock-bottom prices.

  3. Interview 1:44 1 min

    Guest John Wagner joins the show

    John Wagner, a returning guest, joins in-studio to offer thoughts for the day and general commentary; the hosts joke he was kept off one week because he tried to rename it the John Wagner show, and note he is a mean origamist.

  4. 2:38 2 min

    Tonight's lineup preview

    The lineup is laid out: five things you didn't know about Jesus (a CNN belief blog listicle), a survey on how modern folks read the Bible, St. Patrick's Day bits, an xpastors.com article on why pastors leave the pulpit, Dear LFTP letters, and pope-style advice.

  5. 4:18 7 min

    Facebook quizzes and who defines you

    A long riff on viral Facebook quizzes that assign you a character, state, or parent type turns serious: your Maker defines you, not faceless quiz code; curated social media personas make us phonies and steal time from the people who actually love us.

  6. 11:25 9 min

    Five things you didn't know about Jesus

    • Did Jesus learn things, or did he know everything?
    • If Jesus knew what was coming, why pray 'take this cup from me'?

    Walking through the CNN Belief Blog listicle: Nazareth had only 200-400 people ('can anything good come from Nazareth?'), whether Jesus knew everything (Luke's 'progressed in wisdom'; the Syrophoenician woman in Mark), carpenter/tekton as general craftsman, Jesus withdrawing to pray ('me time' recast as connecting with the Father), and Jesus not wanting to die in Gethsemane; they push back on calling Jesus' marriage or India trip 'outlandish' next to the truly outlandish gospel.

  7. Bit 20:37 1 min

    Scooby-Doo detour

    The Jesus discussion dissolves into a bit about a modern Scooby-Doo episode where Shaggy dreams Scooby is human ('dude, could I borrow your shades?') and the hosts' approval of the rebooted cartoons.

  8. 22:00 5 min

    Why pastors leave: overwork and wrong expectations

    • Why do so many pastors leave the ministry?

    Reading xpastors.com on why pastors quit: 90% work 55-75 hours a week and half feel unable to meet the demands. The hosts argue ministry is a lifestyle not a job you clock, and that counting hours is the wrong posture; you can love Jesus and work at the 7-Eleven.

  9. 26:45 1 min

    Pastors and pay

    Seventy percent of pastors feel grossly underpaid; the hosts agree many churches expect pastors to scrape by 'by the skin of their teeth,' arguing a man who worries about money constantly can't lead well - while noting he needn't be swimming in it Scrooge McDuck style either.

  10. 27:56 7 min

    Feeling unprepared: counseling and change

    Ninety percent of pastors feel inadequately trained and say ministry was nothing like they expected. A host addressed on-air as Mike admits teaching the Bible is easy but counseling is where he falls apart; John Wagner counters that every vocation hits unprepared moments, and pastors must absorb contextual and relational change fast.

  11. 34:32 2 min

    Depression, discouragement, and Hosea

    Seventy percent of pastors constantly fight depression and half would leave ministry if they could; a host 'calls the pansy card' on bailing, then a comic exchange identifies the prophet forced to marry Gomer (Hosea), with a counterpoint that real chemical predispositions to depression must be taken seriously.

  12. 36:44 4 min

    Pastor families, loneliness, and protective fences

    Eighty percent believe ministry hurt their families; spouses feel overworked and underappreciated, and 70% of pastors have no close friend. John Wagner tells how his wife agreed to enter ministry with him as a partner; the verdict: protect the family first - don't sacrifice yourself on the altar of the church.

  13. 41:12 1 min

    Attrition and a called-for-a-season

    Fifty percent of new ministers are gone within five years and only one in ten retires in ministry; 4,000 churches start yearly while 7,000 close. John Wagner raises the idea that God may call a pastor for a season - staying only for a paycheck when you aren't helping is its own failure.

  14. 42:40 4 min

    Sponsor break: Eisenlauer team and Westfield Vet

    Ad reads for the Eisenlauer Team (realtor Bob Eisenlauer, friend of the show) and Westfield Veterinary Hospital in Johnston; a host's aging dog has a golf-ball-sized growth that needs a vet visit.

  15. 46:11 6 min

    Pope-style advice: recovering awe when faith feels mundane

    • How do you recover awe of God when your faith feels mundane?

    A host addressed on-air as Mike gives this week's pope-style advice: for kids raised in the church especially, Jesus can shrink from king of a kingdom to 'a guy that exists in my neighborhood'; the fix is to re-view the gift as when you first received it - and to stop measuring your standing by how badly you sin.

  16. 52:06 4 min

    John on measuring faith; communion; radio sign-off

    The guest John Wagner responds that reducing faith to sin-avoidance misses the point - 'worship God. Who is he? Your savior'; they riff on doing your whole relationship with God in 45 seconds before the communion juice; then the show signs off the 99.3 FM broadcast for the podcast-only remainder.

  17. 56:36 10 min

    Restoration, truth, and apologies

    Talk turns to restoration: own mistakes fast ('truth always wins' - the host's $5 vs $50 workplace honesty story), apologize to your kids without excuses, and quit judging your relationship with God by sin-counting; repentance is turning around and moving the other direction, pictured as walking onto the roller coaster.

  18. 1:06:11 3 min

    The obedient second son

    A host wants to be the prodigal son's elder brother minus the bitter ending - the quiet, obedient second son: 'I want me to decrease and God to increase'; obedience opens God's doors, which are bigger than any doors he could pick himself, 'Let's Make a Deal' style.

  19. Dear LFTP 1:08:55 3 min

    Dear LFTP: the widow, Louise, and Bill

    • How should a widow handle a controlling friend who disapproves of her new relationship?

    A widow writes that her controlling friend Louise disapproves of Bill, the man who moved in with her. The hosts joke Louise's departure is a 'win win'; the secular answer says stop appeasing her and move on; the hosts add Bill and the widow ought to get married.

  20. Dear LFTP 1:11:33 3 min

    Dear LFTP: split the referral bonus?

    • Should a single mom split her job-referral bonus with the friend she referred?

    A single mom writes that the friend she referred wants half her referral bonus. The hosts say the answer is a frank, unemotional no - unless a split was agreed beforehand; secular says ignore him and tell him he's lucky she didn't charge a referral fee.

  21. Dear LFTP 1:14:35 5 min

    Dear LFTP: eleven-year-old Gwen

    • How should a parent handle an 11-year-old's dating demands, bad crowd, and fear of being placed for adoption again?

    A parent of adopted 11-year-old Gwen asks about dating demands, a bad crowd, and the girl's fear she'll be 'placed for adoption' again. The hosts: middle-school attitude is normal, no dating regardless of threats, don't make threats you won't keep, and the adoption fear must be taken seriously or spotted as button-pushing; secular agrees - keep her busy and assure her she's the forever mother.

  22. 1:19:59 1 min

    Sign-off and St. Patrick's Day

    Closing plugs: lifefromthepath.org, signing up for the podcast, asking Facebook to notify of posts, and a St. Patrick's Day sign-off into the outro.

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